1 00:00:05,630 --> 00:00:02,860 greeting citizens and welcome to unknown 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:05,640 [Music] 3 00:00:24,810 --> 00:00:06,050 [Applause] 4 00:00:26,909 --> 00:00:24,820 [Music] 5 00:00:28,890 --> 00:00:26,919 I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with 6 00:00:30,540 --> 00:00:28,900 Maureen Elsberry and Shane herd and we 7 00:00:33,060 --> 00:00:30,550 are grateful to you for hanging out with 8 00:00:34,229 --> 00:00:33,070 us today and we're also very grateful to 9 00:00:36,990 --> 00:00:34,239 have our dear friend and fellow 10 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:37,000 podcaster and rogue planet Eire Ryan 11 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:38,769 Sprague joining us on the show today 12 00:00:43,020 --> 00:00:41,260 hey Ryan thanks for being here thanks 13 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:43,030 for having me guys it's been a while 14 00:00:46,889 --> 00:00:44,710 since the four of us have all been on 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:46,899 together so I'm super stoked to be doing 16 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:48,850 that well I'm super excited to you to 17 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:51,430 have our our team here today with Ryan 18 00:00:55,469 --> 00:00:53,440 co-starred on a television special that 19 00:00:58,140 --> 00:00:55,479 just aired on the CW titled Roswell 20 00:01:00,420 --> 00:00:58,150 mysteries decoded we'll definitely talk 21 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:00,430 about that in a bit but first let's talk 22 00:01:04,679 --> 00:01:02,129 about history's new dramatic series 23 00:01:06,649 --> 00:01:04,689 Project Blue Book Project Blue Book 24 00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:06,659 premiered on Tuesday January 8th 25 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:09,070 according to Entertainment News company 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:11,860 media entertainment arts worldwide the 27 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:14,530 premiere received 2.1 million total 28 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:16,900 viewers making it the network's quote 29 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:19,390 most-watched scripted series premiere 30 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:21,340 since the March 2013 premiere of the hit 31 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:24,220 series Vikings so the number of viewers 32 00:01:28,469 --> 00:01:26,110 also reportedly makes the premiere 33 00:01:30,780 --> 00:01:28,479 Project Blue Book the number one new 34 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:30,790 scripted series on cable for the season 35 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:34,540 across all key demographics so this show 36 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:38,170 so far has been a huge success now I 37 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:39,670 know that all of us here have seen the 38 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:41,650 premiere episode and I'd love to hear 39 00:01:45,149 --> 00:01:43,720 what you guys thought of it and for 40 00:01:48,539 --> 00:01:45,159 listeners our conversation right now 41 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:48,549 will likely contain spoilers fair 42 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:49,090 warning 43 00:01:53,609 --> 00:01:52,030 all right so I'm gonna start with with 44 00:01:55,219 --> 00:01:53,619 you Shane what did you think of the 45 00:01:58,289 --> 00:01:55,229 first episode of Project Blue Book I 46 00:02:01,350 --> 00:01:58,299 thought it was great it's it's exactly 47 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:01,360 what I expected from the premiere we saw 48 00:02:07,469 --> 00:02:04,240 just a high quality production the 49 00:02:11,220 --> 00:02:07,479 writing was great the actors were really 50 00:02:13,979 --> 00:02:11,230 good I just thought they handled it you 51 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:13,989 know in a very good way it you know 52 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:17,319 though fictional and and based on you 53 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:19,780 know the real-life events that they did 54 00:02:24,869 --> 00:02:21,790 a good job keeping the integrity of the 55 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:24,879 of the case but obviously adding some 56 00:02:29,759 --> 00:02:27,250 you know artistic flair to it and you 57 00:02:31,399 --> 00:02:29,769 know moving the story along and kind of 58 00:02:33,989 --> 00:02:31,409 giving it I think what this whole 59 00:02:37,019 --> 00:02:33,999 program will be about as a slight 60 00:02:38,339 --> 00:02:37,029 x-files edge to it yeah I like that I 61 00:02:40,860 --> 00:02:38,349 like that thought 62 00:02:43,470 --> 00:02:40,870 Ryan what did you think loved it 63 00:02:46,589 --> 00:02:43,480 absolutely loved it I rewatched it again 64 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:46,599 this morning just for this interview 65 00:02:52,259 --> 00:02:49,810 because I I love the case that they 66 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:52,269 first started out with in the show which 67 00:02:56,819 --> 00:02:54,489 I'm sure we'll get to but uh yeah in 68 00:02:58,949 --> 00:02:56,829 terms of that Shane authenticity yeah we 69 00:03:00,390 --> 00:02:58,959 have to remember it's a drama so I went 70 00:03:02,819 --> 00:03:00,400 in you know even the first time 71 00:03:05,099 --> 00:03:02,829 initially watching it knowing that we 72 00:03:08,489 --> 00:03:05,109 were not going to get a documentary of 73 00:03:11,190 --> 00:03:08,499 every case in blue book so I thought it 74 00:03:11,909 --> 00:03:11,200 was slick stylistic I love that time 75 00:03:13,890 --> 00:03:11,919 period 76 00:03:17,309 --> 00:03:13,900 I love the UFO cases that came out of 77 00:03:19,379 --> 00:03:17,319 that time period and to see J Allen 78 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:19,389 Hynek honest screen gave me chills when 79 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:22,090 he first showed up so I am a huge fan 80 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:24,239 I'm looking forward to this time period 81 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:27,730 exhales as many have put it and can't 82 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:29,290 wait dark skies that's another one that 83 00:03:34,259 --> 00:03:32,169 reminded me of oh cool yeah I know yeah 84 00:03:36,629 --> 00:03:34,269 it was right man yeah by you morning 85 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:36,639 what do you think okay I'm gonna I'm 86 00:03:41,699 --> 00:03:39,370 gonna preface it by saying since I had 87 00:03:44,610 --> 00:03:41,709 purchased it on Amazon I had to wait 88 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:44,620 till after midnight to watch it so I was 89 00:03:52,740 --> 00:03:48,609 tired I need to go back and re-watch it 90 00:03:55,229 --> 00:03:52,750 but I liked it I'm excited for the next 91 00:03:59,729 --> 00:03:55,239 episodes i think i hyped myself up just 92 00:04:00,869 --> 00:03:59,739 slightly a little too much but i really 93 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:00,879 liked it and i agree with all their 94 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:03,060 production values and slickness and 95 00:04:09,149 --> 00:04:06,310 can't add much to that so i'm really 96 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:09,159 looking forward to where the season goes 97 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:10,449 i know next week they're doing the 98 00:04:15,929 --> 00:04:12,310 flatwoods monster which I'm super 99 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:15,939 psyched on yeah so yeah I'm excited 100 00:04:20,580 --> 00:04:18,370 about the fact that they're basing them 101 00:04:23,370 --> 00:04:20,590 off of real cases but then you know 102 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:23,380 fictionalizing them because that for us 103 00:04:26,689 --> 00:04:24,880 UFO researchers you know that's 104 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:26,699 something super exciting because we know 105 00:04:32,909 --> 00:04:29,590 what the real cases are and how they 106 00:04:35,370 --> 00:04:32,919 have affected history and how they are 107 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:35,380 perceived today and I think this is 108 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:37,090 gonna drive a lot of people to start 109 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:39,280 researching these old cases as well that 110 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:41,289 you know the general public that have no 111 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:43,930 idea what the flatwoods monster is you 112 00:04:49,170 --> 00:04:47,830 know and and so I'm excited I'm looking 113 00:04:51,629 --> 00:04:49,180 forward to the rest of the season but 114 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:51,639 yeah like I said I I need to watch it 115 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:52,240 again 116 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:55,000 nerd alert nerd alert right there's so 117 00:04:58,950 --> 00:04:56,740 much of that footer for us UFO geeks 118 00:05:01,650 --> 00:04:58,960 because this show is packed with so many 119 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:01,660 Easter eggs and just sort of nods to the 120 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:03,610 UFO research community so it's so it's 121 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:04,930 so fun watching it from that perspective 122 00:05:09,779 --> 00:05:07,690 and seeing people we know are people 123 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:09,789 that we know certain characters are 124 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:11,680 based on or things they're bringing up 125 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:13,840 well oh yeah they're talking about that 126 00:05:16,860 --> 00:05:15,370 that's so cool there's so many of those 127 00:05:19,379 --> 00:05:16,870 moments in this show so it's fun to 128 00:05:21,510 --> 00:05:19,389 watch from that standpoint well the 129 00:05:24,330 --> 00:05:21,520 first episode of the series is titled 130 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:24,340 the fuller dog fight and that is 131 00:05:27,779 --> 00:05:26,050 precisely with the main characters 132 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:27,789 Captain Michael Quinn and dr. J Allen 133 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:30,280 Hynek investigate as not only the first 134 00:05:35,070 --> 00:05:32,680 case the audience gets to see but also 135 00:05:37,290 --> 00:05:35,080 hi next first case as well that we get 136 00:05:39,719 --> 00:05:37,300 to see in the show so as the title 137 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:39,729 implies the case involves a military 138 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:42,340 pilot lieutenant Henry fuller who finds 139 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:44,050 himself in a dogfight with a UFO 140 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:47,199 now although lieutenant Henry fuller is 141 00:05:52,620 --> 00:05:50,530 a creation for the show this case as 142 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:52,630 with much of what you see presented in 143 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:55,240 the show is based on something real so 144 00:06:01,560 --> 00:05:58,930 Shane if you would just briefly kind of 145 00:06:04,409 --> 00:06:01,570 walk us through what the real case is 146 00:06:05,969 --> 00:06:04,419 behind this fuller a dogfight that we 147 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:05,979 see in the first episode of Project Blue 148 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:09,370 Book oh yeah sure will it's it is an 149 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:11,710 interesting case in fact it's one of the 150 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:16,030 cases that Edie repelled in his book the 151 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:18,820 report on the UFOs talked about being 152 00:06:25,469 --> 00:06:22,090 one of the classic cases and of course I 153 00:06:28,140 --> 00:06:25,479 think any time that you have evidence or 154 00:06:30,420 --> 00:06:28,150 a case related to the military that that 155 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:30,430 heightens the authenticity of it and 156 00:06:36,149 --> 00:06:32,889 they certainly took it serious when it 157 00:06:38,969 --> 00:06:36,159 happened and and was reported and you 158 00:06:41,850 --> 00:06:38,979 know again it's it occurred in 1948 159 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:41,860 again this period of time or just all of 160 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:44,409 these UFO events were occurring really 161 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:46,750 had the nation's attention it had had 162 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:49,780 the military's attention so it's a great 163 00:06:54,899 --> 00:06:51,849 case that they they utilize for the 164 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:54,909 first one for the show but yeah that the 165 00:07:01,290 --> 00:06:57,610 actual pilots name was Gorman as opposed 166 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:01,300 to fuller but you know it's the way they 167 00:07:05,950 --> 00:07:04,449 related the case is pretty follows it 168 00:07:10,030 --> 00:07:05,960 along pretty well 169 00:07:13,030 --> 00:07:10,040 there was a group of international Guard 170 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:13,040 pilots on a training mission they were 171 00:07:20,260 --> 00:07:16,580 near Fargo North Dakota they one of them 172 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:20,270 dropped back this gorman to get a little 173 00:07:24,670 --> 00:07:22,190 extra flight time in at night flying 174 00:07:27,010 --> 00:07:24,680 since it was clear and then this is when 175 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:27,020 he began to have his experience ended up 176 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:30,110 being a 27 minute encounter where 177 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:33,050 basically he chased it it chased him 178 00:07:38,379 --> 00:07:36,080 unlike the television program there he 179 00:07:41,710 --> 00:07:38,389 wasn't you know shooting live fire at it 180 00:07:43,810 --> 00:07:41,720 per se but mostly the event is pretty 181 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:43,820 well accounted for and in fact what's 182 00:07:48,460 --> 00:07:45,560 really interesting I think about this 183 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:48,470 case is that at that moment there were 184 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:51,520 also several other witnesses there was a 185 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:55,970 Piper Cub that was piloted by a man and 186 00:08:01,560 --> 00:07:58,610 had a passenger that was there saw these 187 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:01,570 events as they unfolded there was the 188 00:08:07,210 --> 00:08:04,400 ground control people they also were 189 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:07,220 seeing this object through binoculars 190 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:09,770 and so forth so the event you know 191 00:08:14,140 --> 00:08:11,090 there's no doubt about it it really 192 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:14,150 occurred and and Gorman was you know 193 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:18,050 engaged he was upset by it but you know 194 00:08:23,020 --> 00:08:20,990 in the end he landed and then you know 195 00:08:25,689 --> 00:08:23,030 made his report and that investigation 196 00:08:29,020 --> 00:08:25,699 began yeah it's a it's a really exciting 197 00:08:31,019 --> 00:08:29,030 case and you know I think some people 198 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:31,029 might might be a little concerned about 199 00:08:35,829 --> 00:08:33,830 the series Project Blue Book worrying 200 00:08:38,290 --> 00:08:35,839 that they might have come out of the 201 00:08:41,079 --> 00:08:38,300 gate with like their most amazing case 202 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:41,089 and it can only go down from here and I 203 00:08:44,199 --> 00:08:42,830 I don't think that's going to happen 204 00:08:45,790 --> 00:08:44,209 don't worry they know what they're doing 205 00:08:47,380 --> 00:08:45,800 they wanted it to start with the bang 206 00:08:49,390 --> 00:08:47,390 for sure but they've got a lot of 207 00:08:52,030 --> 00:08:49,400 exciting stuff in store as the season 208 00:08:54,070 --> 00:08:52,040 progresses but super exciting case I 209 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:54,080 love it and it was certainly fun to see 210 00:08:59,500 --> 00:08:57,080 it on the screen and see J Allen Hynek 211 00:09:02,380 --> 00:08:59,510 investigating this and I just thought it 212 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:02,390 was fun and I do again have to commend 213 00:09:07,210 --> 00:09:04,730 history for what they are doing with 214 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:07,220 this series I mean you can go right now 215 00:09:12,699 --> 00:09:10,910 to history's website and read about the 216 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:12,709 Gorman case you know they're putting 217 00:09:17,079 --> 00:09:14,959 this real information out as sort of a 218 00:09:21,219 --> 00:09:17,089 public education camp 219 00:09:22,989 --> 00:09:21,229 to coincide with the show explaining the 220 00:09:25,809 --> 00:09:22,999 things they're showing in the in the 221 00:09:28,329 --> 00:09:25,819 film or in the series and the real-life 222 00:09:29,769 --> 00:09:28,339 things those are based on so that's 223 00:09:33,069 --> 00:09:29,779 going above and beyond they're under no 224 00:09:36,459 --> 00:09:33,079 obligation to do that but you know I 225 00:09:38,919 --> 00:09:36,469 think it's incredibly amazing that they 226 00:09:42,159 --> 00:09:38,929 are investing the money and time to do 227 00:09:44,859 --> 00:09:42,169 that well did you guys see two on the 228 00:09:46,269 --> 00:09:44,869 the bra cast at the end of each episode 229 00:09:48,849 --> 00:09:46,279 it looks like they're gonna be having 230 00:09:50,979 --> 00:09:48,859 like actual UFO researchers and 231 00:09:53,049 --> 00:09:50,989 historians explaining the actual case 232 00:09:55,419 --> 00:09:53,059 that the episode is based on I think 233 00:09:58,119 --> 00:09:55,429 they had gone on this past week the 234 00:10:00,339 --> 00:09:58,129 first episode I think Jacques Vallee 235 00:10:02,319 --> 00:10:00,349 he's involved like this is amazing 236 00:10:04,439 --> 00:10:02,329 they're going to great lengths to to 237 00:10:07,599 --> 00:10:04,449 keep this as authentic as they can and 238 00:10:10,149 --> 00:10:07,609 respectful to the case history yeah and 239 00:10:12,579 --> 00:10:10,159 I think an interesting thing about this 240 00:10:16,649 --> 00:10:12,589 case - is this period of time this 241 00:10:18,999 --> 00:10:16,659 wasn't the only time an Air Force pilot 242 00:10:20,829 --> 00:10:19,009 spotted an object like this in the sky 243 00:10:23,079 --> 00:10:20,839 we also had the mental case the same 244 00:10:26,379 --> 00:10:23,089 year where you know he died from 245 00:10:29,169 --> 00:10:26,389 allegedly passing out from lack of 246 00:10:31,689 --> 00:10:29,179 oxygen and having his plane tumbled this 247 00:10:35,139 --> 00:10:31,699 guy so it's it's not like and everyone 248 00:10:38,619 --> 00:10:35,149 said that he was chasing Jupiter oh no 249 00:10:43,449 --> 00:10:38,629 I'm sorry Venus Venus and and that was 250 00:10:46,529 --> 00:10:43,459 the the cause and yes Venus is a culprit 251 00:10:49,989 --> 00:10:46,539 of being mistaken for a UFO but 252 00:10:52,269 --> 00:10:49,999 especially with with you know the Gorman 253 00:10:55,089 --> 00:10:52,279 case with other witnesses it seems 254 00:10:57,549 --> 00:10:55,099 really odd that that would turn out to 255 00:10:59,559 --> 00:10:57,559 be what it is so there's like a lot of 256 00:11:03,369 --> 00:10:59,569 mystery and intrigue that what was going 257 00:11:05,769 --> 00:11:03,379 on during 1948 or was it just so much 258 00:11:08,439 --> 00:11:05,779 hype from the Roswell incident happening 259 00:11:10,779 --> 00:11:08,449 you know there's a lot going on and 260 00:11:13,779 --> 00:11:10,789 people should research this time period 261 00:11:15,369 --> 00:11:13,789 for sure because something strange was 262 00:11:18,249 --> 00:11:15,379 happening in the skies we don't know 263 00:11:21,099 --> 00:11:18,259 what what was the deal with the 40s you 264 00:11:22,989 --> 00:11:21,109 know yeah I thought it was cool too it 265 00:11:26,169 --> 00:11:22,999 was barely touched on it was just like a 266 00:11:28,839 --> 00:11:26,179 single line I think by captain Quinn and 267 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:28,849 in the show but honey could ask him 268 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:30,680 alive you ever seen anything like this 269 00:11:34,660 --> 00:11:33,260 he referred to the Foo Fighters and of 270 00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:34,670 course we you know we're pretty familiar 271 00:11:39,010 --> 00:11:36,740 with the fact Foo Fighters were both in 272 00:11:41,829 --> 00:11:39,020 the European and Pacific Theater during 273 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:41,839 World War two however I haven't really 274 00:11:47,620 --> 00:11:45,050 heard of anything stateside you know 275 00:11:49,570 --> 00:11:47,630 since that time and when you heard the 276 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:49,580 description both in the actual case and 277 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:51,770 then son on the show I mean this object 278 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:54,290 was very reminiscent of what was 279 00:11:58,510 --> 00:11:56,480 described as Foo Fighters so I mean 280 00:12:00,670 --> 00:11:58,520 there's really some depth behind that 281 00:12:02,170 --> 00:12:00,680 case and the program you got to hand it 282 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:02,180 to them they've done a great job with it 283 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:04,880 and I'm super stoked that they've got 284 00:12:10,030 --> 00:12:06,290 the response from the community and 285 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:10,040 those numbers are that high yeah I - you 286 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:12,110 know not even containing Project Blue 287 00:12:16,930 --> 00:12:15,200 Book the fact that you know they were 288 00:12:19,210 --> 00:12:16,940 looking at like The Day the Earth Stood 289 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:19,220 Still what Hollywood was doing at the 290 00:12:24,190 --> 00:12:21,680 time - and I there was another line 291 00:12:26,949 --> 00:12:24,200 Shane that I caught - which I really 292 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:26,959 liked was you know were we're at war 293 00:12:33,550 --> 00:12:30,410 with Hollywood right now to control the 294 00:12:36,070 --> 00:12:33,560 UFO topic in the information so let's 295 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:36,080 start this project Bluebook in response 296 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:38,690 to all these pilot witnesses you know 297 00:12:44,769 --> 00:12:42,110 men tell Whittier gorman all of these 298 00:12:47,110 --> 00:12:44,779 even Roswell these all prompted Project 299 00:12:48,699 --> 00:12:47,120 Blue Book you know it wasn't just some 300 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:48,709 kook seeing these things it was the 301 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:50,810 military so I thought it was really cool 302 00:12:56,829 --> 00:12:52,490 that they touched on that sociological 303 00:12:59,170 --> 00:12:56,839 aspect at the time - of Hollywood and 304 00:13:00,550 --> 00:12:59,180 the media and it you know they're not 305 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:00,560 gonna go with what the military says 306 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:01,730 they're gonna do their own things so 307 00:13:05,199 --> 00:13:03,920 let's control the narrative so that was 308 00:13:07,090 --> 00:13:05,209 really interesting - I thought that they 309 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:07,100 tackled in the first episode you know 310 00:13:15,460 --> 00:13:09,050 there there are cooks in the military to 311 00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:15,470 rate I'm enjoying the show so far I know 312 00:13:19,329 --> 00:13:17,120 the first one may have seemed a little 313 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:19,339 slow to some people but again you're 314 00:13:23,050 --> 00:13:21,440 starting this a show from scratch you've 315 00:13:24,850 --> 00:13:23,060 got to establish your characters and 316 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:24,860 that's a big part of it so this 317 00:13:29,230 --> 00:13:26,690 character development I think is going 318 00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:29,240 to go you know in a way we all hope it 319 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:30,800 will it's going to be really good really 320 00:13:33,550 --> 00:13:32,240 strong characters really well developed 321 00:13:36,460 --> 00:13:33,560 characters the writing in this is great 322 00:13:39,730 --> 00:13:36,470 and again with having two of hynek's 323 00:13:41,319 --> 00:13:39,740 sons as consultants on this show we're 324 00:13:44,079 --> 00:13:41,329 really going to see some some good 325 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:44,089 character development with Meany I think 326 00:13:50,199 --> 00:13:46,040 so that that's gonna be coming hynix 327 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:50,209 wife and you know I will say you might 328 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:51,440 want to check out if you're a podcast 329 00:13:55,389 --> 00:13:53,300 listener which I hope you are because 330 00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:55,399 this is a podcast and you're listening 331 00:14:02,710 --> 00:13:59,360 to one but Syfy's websites sci-fi wire 332 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:02,720 is doing the official project Bluebook 333 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:04,490 podcast it's just called Project Blue 334 00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:06,410 Book official podcast and they're doing 335 00:14:10,210 --> 00:14:08,480 it after every episode and they're 336 00:14:11,860 --> 00:14:10,220 having people on the show the first 337 00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:11,870 episode they did they had the creator of 338 00:14:15,610 --> 00:14:14,300 the show on and they're going to have 339 00:14:19,150 --> 00:14:15,620 some of the actors on and they're 340 00:14:20,530 --> 00:14:19,160 talking about the reasoning behind the 341 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:20,540 decisions they've made with the show 342 00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:22,010 they talk about the cases they're 343 00:14:26,829 --> 00:14:23,600 covering on the show they talk about 344 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:26,839 just the process of making this series 345 00:14:30,340 --> 00:14:28,970 come to life and they do answer a lot of 346 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:30,350 the questions that I know many of the 347 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:31,910 people on the UFO research community 348 00:14:38,019 --> 00:14:35,360 have and it just provides incredible 349 00:14:40,030 --> 00:14:38,029 insight into the people making this show 350 00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:40,040 and why they're doing what they're doing 351 00:14:45,370 --> 00:14:43,279 I think for a lot of the naysayers out 352 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:45,380 there are people who aren't wanting to 353 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:46,970 give this show a chance because it's not 354 00:14:53,079 --> 00:14:49,130 a documentary or it's not portraying 355 00:14:54,730 --> 00:14:53,089 Project Blue Book 100% accurately maybe 356 00:14:56,740 --> 00:14:54,740 give these guys a chance and listen to 357 00:14:59,319 --> 00:14:56,750 some of the reasoning they've done what 358 00:15:01,780 --> 00:14:59,329 they've done and look at this for all of 359 00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:01,790 the positives that can come out of this 360 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:05,320 and take a chill pill and enjoy a 361 00:15:12,220 --> 00:15:09,649 fictional show sorry or just simply 362 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:12,230 don't or don't you yeah I have to and 363 00:15:17,530 --> 00:15:15,190 nobody says you do so chill out dudes 364 00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:17,540 well let's shift gears now away from 365 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:19,430 Project Blue Book and talk about another 366 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:21,350 piece of UFO history that's getting a 367 00:15:27,220 --> 00:15:23,690 bit of a revival on TV and that's the 368 00:15:29,470 --> 00:15:27,230 Roswell UFO incident of 1947 so the CW 369 00:15:32,139 --> 00:15:29,480 network aired a special titled Roswell 370 00:15:35,050 --> 00:15:32,149 mysteries decoded on Thursday January 371 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:35,060 10th and it starred you mr. Ryan Sprague 372 00:15:42,670 --> 00:15:39,350 so let's talk about this show so first 373 00:15:44,889 --> 00:15:42,680 give us a brief overview of the premise 374 00:15:47,769 --> 00:15:44,899 of this show yeah so I mean this is a 375 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:47,779 brand new investigation of Roswell and 376 00:15:53,319 --> 00:15:50,570 you know we have old this state guy 377 00:15:55,870 --> 00:15:53,329 Dracula yet again guys brought it back 378 00:15:56,930 --> 00:15:55,880 into the forefront and you know a lot of 379 00:15:58,700 --> 00:15:56,940 people were head 380 00:16:01,190 --> 00:15:58,710 think about that it's Roswell we've 381 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:01,200 heard it a million times but the big 382 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:03,720 thing we're stressing is this is a brand 383 00:16:08,570 --> 00:16:05,550 new network that has never explored 384 00:16:12,140 --> 00:16:08,580 Roswell before for a younger generation 385 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:12,150 the demographic is very young for the CW 386 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:14,370 network so they wanted to give it a 387 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:16,590 chance they've got a new drama fiction 388 00:16:20,510 --> 00:16:18,570 series just like Project Blue Book 389 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,520 coming out on their their station 390 00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:23,040 Roswell New Mexico so they wanted to 391 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:25,800 kinda do what these guys did and tell 392 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,010 the real story behind Roswell get people 393 00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:31,440 excited get them hyped but also get them 394 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:32,760 informed about what actually happened 395 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:35,670 before they take their drama series into 396 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:38,670 you know Atlas stories that didn't 397 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:40,410 actually happen and were imagined by 398 00:16:45,890 --> 00:16:43,650 writers and writers room so so they 399 00:16:48,380 --> 00:16:45,900 hired us to go out and investigate 400 00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:48,390 Roswell and see what we could find and 401 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:50,520 we found some pretty interesting stuff I 402 00:16:55,070 --> 00:16:52,880 can't lie it was more than I expected 403 00:16:58,070 --> 00:16:55,080 even going to the project I'm like what 404 00:17:00,200 --> 00:16:58,080 could we possibly do in Roswell that 405 00:17:02,930 --> 00:17:00,210 hasn't been done before but we've 406 00:17:05,870 --> 00:17:02,940 brought forth some evidence we talked to 407 00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:05,880 people we had some revelations and it 408 00:17:11,180 --> 00:17:08,910 was a fun ride for sure now I know we 409 00:17:13,460 --> 00:17:11,190 hear a lot of people kind of 410 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:13,470 pooh-poohing Roswell within the UFO 411 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:14,970 community saying that here we are 412 00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:17,370 talking about this super old case from 413 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:21,120 1947 it's been beaten into the ground 414 00:17:25,010 --> 00:17:23,190 Roswell has been done over and over and 415 00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:25,020 over again let's stop talking about 416 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Roswell but as I've said so many times 417 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:31,290 over the years I am a Roswell fan I'm a 418 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:33,510 proponent of continuing Roswell 419 00:17:39,140 --> 00:17:36,810 investigation we talk about this a lot 420 00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:39,150 guys and that's just the idea of the 421 00:17:45,050 --> 00:17:40,980 importance of Roswell not only in UFO 422 00:17:48,170 --> 00:17:45,060 history but you know continuing to keep 423 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:48,180 it in the forefront keeping it in the 424 00:17:54,020 --> 00:17:52,350 minds of existing UFO researchers and 425 00:17:55,610 --> 00:17:54,030 new UFO researchers people getting into 426 00:17:58,580 --> 00:17:55,620 this field it's certainly a case that 427 00:18:00,110 --> 00:17:58,590 people should be aware of and should 428 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:00,120 form their own opinions about there's so 429 00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:02,370 much mixed information out there but 430 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:04,860 they're still in my opinion work that 431 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:07,110 can be done so I was so excited to see a 432 00:18:11,769 --> 00:18:09,260 new investigation going out there Ryan 433 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:11,779 and you you express this in the show but 434 00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,190 I got it got to ask you now that I've 435 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:14,799 got you in person 436 00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:17,210 describe the feeling of actually going 437 00:18:20,669 --> 00:18:18,559 out to the crash site because I know 438 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:20,679 that's something that that we've done 439 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,210 Shane I didn't get to drag you out there 440 00:18:28,509 --> 00:18:26,000 I don't think but I know mornings and 441 00:18:30,250 --> 00:18:28,519 I'm you next time yeah but Maureen and 442 00:18:32,919 --> 00:18:30,260 Ryan and I have all been out there so 443 00:18:36,460 --> 00:18:32,929 Brian what describe the feeling of being 444 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:36,470 out at the Roswell crash site yeah so 445 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:38,529 something that didn't make it into the 446 00:18:43,450 --> 00:18:42,110 the actual show and fortunately was I'm 447 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:43,460 sure you guys have come across this to 448 00:18:48,250 --> 00:18:46,010 it there's like this big memorial or 449 00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:48,260 placard out in the desert you know 450 00:18:53,529 --> 00:18:50,269 stating like this is where the crash 451 00:18:56,049 --> 00:18:53,539 happened in 1947 and you know something 452 00:18:58,060 --> 00:18:56,059 unearthly landed here or crash landed in 453 00:18:59,860 --> 00:18:58,070 a lot of people think that's the that's 454 00:19:03,250 --> 00:18:59,870 where it happened and they they see it 455 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:03,260 when they leave when in reality the 456 00:19:08,769 --> 00:19:05,870 actual crash site is like 50 60 miles 457 00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:08,779 away from that so first of all like I 458 00:19:14,379 --> 00:19:11,679 went into it not knowing any of that and 459 00:19:17,409 --> 00:19:14,389 that was really exciting for me to know 460 00:19:20,740 --> 00:19:17,419 that beyond that point there was about 461 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:20,750 60 miles of endless desert to go to and 462 00:19:26,889 --> 00:19:23,330 of course that's where something would 463 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:26,899 crash or try to land as we we talked 464 00:19:31,299 --> 00:19:28,880 about in these special as well 465 00:19:34,409 --> 00:19:31,309 to step foot out there in what could 466 00:19:37,090 --> 00:19:34,419 presumably be the actual place of impact 467 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:37,100 it was amazing you know not just as a 468 00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:39,730 UFO researcher but as someone who really 469 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:44,720 likes mythology and stories it would to 470 00:19:49,269 --> 00:19:46,970 me would be like stepping foot on you 471 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:49,279 know somewhere where a miracle happened 472 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:52,940 or or where Bigfoot was sighted it had 473 00:19:58,539 --> 00:19:55,760 it steeped in such a rich history and 474 00:20:00,220 --> 00:19:58,549 mythology so when I got out of the Jeep 475 00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:00,230 and actually stepped foot there and 476 00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:03,440 surveyed the area where Frank Kindler 477 00:20:07,930 --> 00:20:05,480 who I'm sure we'll talk about brought us 478 00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:07,940 to so this is where it happened I got 479 00:20:13,330 --> 00:20:10,880 chills as I think anyone who knows this 480 00:20:16,690 --> 00:20:13,340 story would if this actually happened 481 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:16,700 there Wow I I was speechless when I 482 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:18,529 first stepped out and then I had to get 483 00:20:23,139 --> 00:20:20,450 into investigator mode and start asking 484 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:23,149 the hard questions so so yeah I had 485 00:20:28,209 --> 00:20:26,570 moment of just pure fanboy this when it 486 00:20:29,950 --> 00:20:28,219 comes to Roswell but then it was time to 487 00:20:32,589 --> 00:20:29,960 get serious it's understandable 488 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:32,599 I mean Roswell is such a gigantic 489 00:20:40,089 --> 00:20:36,529 element of UFO history UFO lore and pop 490 00:20:44,859 --> 00:20:40,099 culture in general so to be able to be 491 00:20:47,109 --> 00:20:44,869 at the actual crash site yeah I totally 492 00:20:49,019 --> 00:20:47,119 get it I felt the same way being out 493 00:20:52,479 --> 00:20:49,029 there it's just sort of an unreal 494 00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,489 realization that Wow I'm out here in 495 00:20:56,409 --> 00:20:55,039 Heath Roswell crash site kind of Awesome 496 00:20:58,719 --> 00:20:56,419 yeah 497 00:21:00,519 --> 00:20:58,729 and you got to be freezing freezing 498 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:00,529 that's funny so you got to be there with 499 00:21:03,159 --> 00:21:01,849 Frank Kim blur I've been out there with 500 00:21:06,639 --> 00:21:03,169 Frank Ambler as well I have tremendous 501 00:21:08,619 --> 00:21:06,649 respect for Frank Kindler and you know 502 00:21:11,379 --> 00:21:08,629 it's fun seeing seeing him on the old TV 503 00:21:13,989 --> 00:21:11,389 I guess I'd love to hear from your 504 00:21:16,060 --> 00:21:13,999 perspective what it was like seeing 505 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:16,070 Frank in his element you not only got to 506 00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,070 see him out in the debris field with his 507 00:21:22,659 --> 00:21:20,960 metal detector but you also got to see 508 00:21:24,869 --> 00:21:22,669 him sort of in his in his teacher mode 509 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:24,879 there at the military Institute in 510 00:21:32,379 --> 00:21:27,529 Roswell so what was it like being around 511 00:21:35,019 --> 00:21:32,389 Frank the professional yeah so I mean we 512 00:21:36,909 --> 00:21:35,029 had just gotten off the plane in Roswell 513 00:21:38,469 --> 00:21:36,919 and started to make our way to the 514 00:21:41,019 --> 00:21:38,479 actual city of Roswell 515 00:21:43,749 --> 00:21:41,029 so Jennifer my investigative partner and 516 00:21:45,459 --> 00:21:43,759 I we were exhausted but you know our 517 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,469 production crew said oh we got to meet 518 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:48,320 with Frank tonight at his you know where 519 00:21:51,940 --> 00:21:50,210 he's most comfortable in the classroom 520 00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:51,950 where he teaches at the New Mexico 521 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:55,039 Military Institute and he wants to show 522 00:21:59,169 --> 00:21:57,049 you guys some stuff so I didn't really 523 00:22:00,759 --> 00:21:59,179 know what we were gonna be seeing that 524 00:22:05,769 --> 00:22:00,769 night but I can tell you right now we 525 00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:05,779 were both so tired and but the minute we 526 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:07,879 got there I shook hands with Frank and 527 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:10,339 he showed us this really cool awed 528 00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:12,830 mented reality thing that he used to 529 00:22:18,489 --> 00:22:15,919 like triangulate and figure out the 530 00:22:20,889 --> 00:22:18,499 weather conditions during the Roswell 531 00:22:23,219 --> 00:22:20,899 UFO crash and we're like water runoff 532 00:22:25,629 --> 00:22:23,229 would have put wreckage in all this I 533 00:22:28,239 --> 00:22:25,639 immediately woke up it was like I had 10 534 00:22:31,239 --> 00:22:28,249 cups of coffee and I was ready to go so 535 00:22:32,859 --> 00:22:31,249 again being in his classroom hearing 536 00:22:36,019 --> 00:22:32,869 them start to talk about this that's 537 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:36,029 when I really started to be like oh my 538 00:22:40,999 --> 00:22:39,450 God here we go it's like full speed so 539 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:41,009 it was exciting it was exciting to 540 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:44,369 finally talk to him about this and to 541 00:22:50,419 --> 00:22:46,710 see how he figured out where the crash 542 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:50,429 site was and yeah yeah it was it was an 543 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:52,200 incredible journey from there and I 544 00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:54,809 loved hearing him say what he said so 545 00:23:01,339 --> 00:22:58,559 many times before and what I commend him 546 00:23:03,729 --> 00:23:01,349 on every time he says it when he and I 547 00:23:06,619 --> 00:23:03,739 have conversations but he said look I 548 00:23:10,009 --> 00:23:06,629 want this to be from a flying saucer for 549 00:23:12,709 --> 00:23:10,019 sure but if it's not if it's somebody's 550 00:23:15,829 --> 00:23:12,719 tin can I want to know that too and I'll 551 00:23:18,349 --> 00:23:15,839 accept it absolutely and that's kind of 552 00:23:20,959 --> 00:23:18,359 what my partner expected when we first 553 00:23:23,479 --> 00:23:20,969 got out there she she thought we'd go to 554 00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:23,489 this crash site that Frank found the 555 00:23:29,719 --> 00:23:26,190 metals at and we'd find trash we'd find 556 00:23:31,879 --> 00:23:29,729 you know beer cans whatnot but as you 557 00:23:33,889 --> 00:23:31,889 guys can attest as well when you go out 558 00:23:36,349 --> 00:23:33,899 to this actual crash site it is with 559 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:36,359 that it's a hundred miles from anything 560 00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,169 any sort of town city or life when you 561 00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:42,179 get out there I didn't see a single bug 562 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:45,059 a bird nothing there's nothing out there 563 00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:47,369 there was no reason for those medals to 564 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:50,820 have been out there so I I agree with 565 00:23:55,609 --> 00:23:54,210 Frank you know what why why would they 566 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:55,619 find these things out there if something 567 00:23:59,539 --> 00:23:57,690 didn't happen and what also didn't make 568 00:24:01,339 --> 00:23:59,549 it into the show is that Frank also 569 00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:01,349 found other things out there 570 00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:03,869 military buttons from army fatigues 571 00:24:09,109 --> 00:24:06,659 dated back to the 40s so right there 572 00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:09,119 that's piling in itself it's not just 573 00:24:12,589 --> 00:24:10,830 the medals that he's found out there 574 00:24:15,619 --> 00:24:12,599 it's other things that could corroborate 575 00:24:18,019 --> 00:24:15,629 that at least the military was out at 576 00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:18,029 this site right right I was gonna bring 577 00:24:23,989 --> 00:24:21,059 up that button because I it's extremely 578 00:24:25,999 --> 00:24:23,999 interesting and yeah it for the general 579 00:24:30,109 --> 00:24:26,009 public obviously Roswell does not 580 00:24:33,459 --> 00:24:30,119 publish their their actual crash 581 00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:33,469 location because that would be a 582 00:24:38,629 --> 00:24:36,539 disaster it's basically treated like an 583 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:38,639 archeological site and I know that every 584 00:24:43,399 --> 00:24:41,460 researcher I've that I know has been out 585 00:24:44,899 --> 00:24:43,409 there has treated the area with respect 586 00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:44,909 it was kind of interesting because when 587 00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,700 Jase and I were out there it was pretty 588 00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,740 soon after the sci-fi channel 589 00:24:55,940 --> 00:24:52,559 an investigation so there was still some 590 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:55,950 of their markers lying around 591 00:25:01,220 --> 00:24:57,570 unfortunately but you could see where 592 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:01,230 they were digging and and trying to find 593 00:25:09,530 --> 00:25:02,370 materials 594 00:25:11,780 --> 00:25:09,540 interested to see what Frank's reaction 595 00:25:13,940 --> 00:25:11,790 was going to be after you got the 596 00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:13,950 results that were married from his 597 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:17,820 results in the lab but I did not see 598 00:25:24,049 --> 00:25:21,090 that yes he did not see that and I can 599 00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:24,059 tell you that we did do that the minute 600 00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:26,580 a lot of people were wondering too if 601 00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:28,380 like I knew what the results were gonna 602 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:30,660 be no no they didn't want me knowing 603 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:32,730 they wanted my initial reaction when we 604 00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:34,770 got those results from the metal metal 605 00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:36,750 slab and for those who don't know Frank 606 00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:39,150 has had materials tested before these 607 00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:41,880 specific materials at a lab in Canada 608 00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,000 and it came back with high trace 609 00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:47,700 elements of molybdenum this element that 610 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:49,710 should not have been in that metal there 611 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:51,450 was no reason for it to be and that is 612 00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:54,090 an unusually high amount if it were to 613 00:25:57,919 --> 00:25:56,160 be so we were excited when we learned 614 00:25:59,270 --> 00:25:57,929 about that but we wanted to get them 615 00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:59,280 tested as well so we brought him to a 616 00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:01,740 narrow space lab metals testing lab in 617 00:26:07,460 --> 00:26:03,929 Los Angeles and put him through rigorous 618 00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:07,470 testing and we got the results and those 619 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:09,870 results were not what we had hoped for 620 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:12,510 not what we expected but that is the 621 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:14,970 reality part of this television thing is 622 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:19,290 it wasn't what we expected and it wasn't 623 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:20,670 what a lot of people probably hoped for 624 00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,870 alien materials you know I did you guys 625 00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,880 consider having that I know that there 626 00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:29,100 was leftover organic material on three 627 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:31,230 of the six samples did you consider 628 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:33,510 taking that organic material to another 629 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:36,750 lab to analyze really good question yes 630 00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:38,730 so I mean these organic materials found 631 00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:40,980 on the other three obviously a metals 632 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:44,190 lab can't test that the thing with that 633 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:46,290 is it could be anything and we we know 634 00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:48,210 that as well it could have been trace 635 00:26:54,919 --> 00:26:50,280 elements of dirt to plant soil anything 636 00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:54,929 right water anything we were out of 637 00:27:02,000 --> 00:26:57,480 metals lab that's all the budget we had 638 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:02,010 for this certain TV special to do so you 639 00:27:03,650 --> 00:27:03,300 know at the end of a special we even say 640 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,660 there's 641 00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:05,520 more tests to be done so yammering we're 642 00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:08,040 we're taking those three other materials 643 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:11,400 to get tested somewhere else and and to 644 00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:13,860 work with Frank on that as well we did 645 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:17,430 film Frank's response I will say we did 646 00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:20,370 do that the moment we found out I called 647 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:22,200 him we put him on speakerphone we had 648 00:27:27,410 --> 00:27:24,930 our two metallurgists explain what they 649 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:27,420 found a Frank and they had a really good 650 00:27:31,910 --> 00:27:29,730 conversation about what to do with this 651 00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,920 where to go in what questions still need 652 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:33,600 to be asked unfortunately because of 653 00:27:38,030 --> 00:27:35,310 time constraints they chose to edit that 654 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:38,040 out I was a little bummed but again like 655 00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:40,290 that's the way television works they 656 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:41,880 they wanted to be as clear and concise 657 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:44,100 for an audience who may not know any of 658 00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:46,110 this the baggage that comes with it the 659 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,190 science behind it so yeah I can tell you 660 00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,220 right now we're already in the works 661 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:55,200 getting those other things tested we 662 00:27:59,960 --> 00:27:57,510 hope to go back to the site and look for 663 00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,970 some stuff with Frank and we have a 664 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,200 bunch of testimony that we're still 665 00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:05,840 looking to get from a lot of people 666 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:07,980 directly involved indirectly involved 667 00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:10,950 but yeah it's a journey we've kind of 668 00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:12,750 really only begun and I'm excited so 669 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:14,340 Ryan I don't know how much you can talk 670 00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:15,870 about this but you mentioned it before 671 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:20,880 now this was a one-off TV special that 672 00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:25,980 the CW did but that is not the endgame 673 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:28,980 right I mean the the hope is for there 674 00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:33,030 to be more sort of growing into a series 675 00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:36,300 right yeah I mean in terms of if it's 676 00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:38,700 just Roswell I can't really speak to or 677 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:41,460 not I mean these things are just you 678 00:28:46,910 --> 00:28:44,730 know change every day what we did is we 679 00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:46,920 were hired to do a one-hour special 680 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:50,190 about Roswell and that was to run in 681 00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,990 tandem with the fictional show coming 682 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:53,880 out Roswell New Mexico they wanted to 683 00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,130 get people excited get him informed so 684 00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:58,080 we did that we did our job we delivered 685 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,220 it to the CW and they it kind of blew 686 00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:04,620 him away they had no idea how extensive 687 00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:07,830 the the case and the cover-up actually 688 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:10,350 were when it came to this so they were 689 00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:13,650 super excited and they even had us film 690 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:16,260 additional material where we said were 691 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:16,960 not done 692 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:18,910 there's still so much more to 693 00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:21,910 investigate so you know take that for 694 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:23,830 what it's worth I think they're excited 695 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:26,110 to keep exploring this we clearly are 696 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:28,090 excited to keep looking into it I mean 697 00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:29,650 you guys know the dead ends that come 698 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:31,720 with this case and every time you think 699 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:33,580 you have an answer something changes so 700 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:36,310 I hope that they want more if people do 701 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,410 want more let them know because we're 702 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:41,200 ready and raring to go I'm optimistic 703 00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:45,310 and just really excited to see this sort 704 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:47,020 of new thing that's happening you know 705 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:48,520 we're seeing it with Project Blue Book 706 00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:50,740 and then with Roswell seing networks 707 00:29:58,410 --> 00:29:55,630 that have this interest in the real life 708 00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:58,420 element of UFO s UFO history UFO cases 709 00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:02,320 the reality of UFOs and taking Roswell 710 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,380 you know feeling that desire or seeing 711 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:07,440 the the interest for the audience to 712 00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:11,650 have the real-life foundation laid to 713 00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:14,380 then go into a fictional show with 714 00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:16,900 history providing the real-life history 715 00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:19,000 behind the things they're presenting in 716 00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:21,280 their fictional show Project Blue Book 717 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:25,390 that's so exciting to see and I mean we 718 00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:27,670 all know that the UFO topic is very 719 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:31,420 popular in pop culture in Hollywood we 720 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:33,220 see it in so many TV shows so many 721 00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:35,290 movies but now we're having networks 722 00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:38,620 want to go further and bring the reality 723 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:41,560 the the actual reality into these 724 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:44,110 reality shows or into TV specials or 725 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:46,990 things like that it's it's cool man it's 726 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:49,090 a it's a cool new world I like saying up 727 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:51,370 me too I mean even if it wasn't Roswell 728 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:52,900 the fact that we're getting a project 729 00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:56,050 Bluebook show alone was enough for me 730 00:31:00,720 --> 00:30:58,510 yeah you know we've we've got our thing 731 00:31:02,790 --> 00:31:00,730 we all know there's a lot of other UFO 732 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:02,800 material coming out to the stars in 733 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:04,810 terms of television shows documentaries 734 00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:07,720 movies this I honestly think this is 735 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:10,630 part of that too the star syndrome and I 736 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:13,930 love it I love this ride and we'll see 737 00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:15,010 where it goes I think it's responsible 738 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:18,430 of these TV networks to do this to get 739 00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:21,010 the actual information out there and I 740 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,260 hope we see more and more and more of 741 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:25,440 that absolutely bring on the 742 00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:27,910 extraterrestrial invasion Hollywood 743 00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:29,800 please do 744 00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,750 Ryan for anyone who wasn't able to catch 745 00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:33,760 the show when it aired on the CW how can 746 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:36,790 people check it out they can go right 747 00:31:43,230 --> 00:31:40,570 now to CW seed comm it is completely 748 00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:43,240 free to stream it's an app as well so 749 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:45,400 you can get it on all your devices 750 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:49,270 it's the recommended one right now right 751 00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:51,730 at the top so I hope people will check 752 00:31:56,370 --> 00:31:53,740 it out if you do want more 753 00:31:59,310 --> 00:31:56,380 let's see W let's see W seed no we're 754 00:32:02,550 --> 00:31:59,320 ready to go and I hope people like it 755 00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:02,560 and please reach out to me criticisms 756 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:05,260 questions comments I am completely open 757 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:06,790 and you have to be willing to do that 758 00:32:10,650 --> 00:32:09,010 when it comes to Roswell for sure yeah 759 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:10,660 it's a really good point really good 760 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:12,570 point well I enjoyed it there's lots of 761 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:14,770 quote-unquote cameos on this show too 762 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:16,990 for UFO researchers you'll see a lot of 763 00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:20,170 people you you recognize fun show check 764 00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:22,390 it out will citizens we invite you to 765 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:23,590 come join us in the rogue planet 766 00:32:28,050 --> 00:32:25,810 Facebook group at facebook.com slash 767 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:28,060 groups slash rogue planet and let us 768 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:29,770 know what you thought of the first 769 00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:31,660 episode of Project Blue Book what you 770 00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:33,580 thought of Roswell mysteries decoded or 771 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,950 anything else ufo-related that's on your 772 00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:38,080 mind you can find more episodes of 773 00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:40,630 unknown on Apple podcast stitcher Google 774 00:32:46,170 --> 00:32:43,390 Play I Heart Radio YouTube you know all 775 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:46,180 the podcast places unknown is a rogue 776 00:32:49,530 --> 00:32:47,950 planet production big thanks to our 777 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:49,540 talented friend and fellow rogue planet 778 00:32:53,490 --> 00:32:51,250 Eire caleb hanks for the show's intro 779 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:53,500 and outro music of course you can always 780 00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,050 find this show at rogue planet TV rogue 781 00:33:00,120 --> 00:32:58,000 planet TV is your home for all the 782 00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,130 strange it's also where you can get your 783 00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:01,600 own unknown t-shirt from the rogue 784 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:03,790 planet store just go to store rogue 785 00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:06,280 planet TV thanks again for hanging out 786 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:08,350 with us today I'm Jason McClellan I'm 787 00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,540 Marine Ellsbury i'm shane herd and i'm 788 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:12,880 ryan spray do us a favour friends always 789 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:14,590 treat the UFO subject with the cautious 790 00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:16,330 and responsible skepticism it deserves 791 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:18,460 question everything had the courage to 792 00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:20,980 form your own opinions keep the truth as 793 00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:22,990 the focused of your quest even if the 794 00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:24,820 truth conflicts with your own opinions 795 00:33:32,830 --> 00:33:27,420 and of course stay strange 796 00:33:34,409 --> 00:33:32,840 [Music]